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		<title>By: idle musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Response to Lori</title>
		<link>http://idlemusings.ca/2008/02/28/body-acceptance/comment-page-1/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>idle musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Response to Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 02:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] into an epic, so I am putting it up here as it&#8217;s own post, as a response to her comment on Body Acceptance. I freely admit that I do not know HTML enough to format inside a comment box and there are a lot [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] into an epic, so I am putting it up here as it&#8217;s own post, as a response to her comment on Body Acceptance. I freely admit that I do not know HTML enough to format inside a comment box and there are a lot [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://idlemusings.ca/2008/02/28/body-acceptance/comment-page-1/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My earlier comment was about your comment that you&#039;ll never be society&#039;s idea of attractive, and that is what I called bullshit over, not the rest of your post.

My argument, and I do have one, is that the fat acceptance people think that &quot;society&quot; equates &quot;thin&quot; with &quot;beauty&quot;. Society doesn&#039;t do that. The fat acceptance people want and need you to think that. The fat acceptance people need you to think that all bodies are beautiful no matter what. That is not true. If you are more than 20 lbs overweight you are not eating right and you are not exercising enough for your body. If you are carrying several inches of fat around your midsection, you are not healthy. This is an evolutionary principle, not a beauty one.

The human body is designed, has EVOLVED, to be 10 to 20 lbs &quot;overweight&quot;. Not thirty, not fifty, but 10 to 20 lbs of optimal weight. This is a failsafe in case of future famine. Its part of natural selection.

No one who is 5&#039;6&quot; and 200 lbs is healthy. Not if its muscle, not if its fat. It&#039;s not healthy. The fat acceptance people want you to think that is, but it&#039;s not on several fundamental health levels.

The fat acceptance movement needs women to be angry at &quot;society&quot; rather than empowering them to get their asses moving and moving in a way that works with the evolutionary changes the human body has made.

Women need to maintain over 10% body fat to assure fertility and hormonal balance. That is not a mistake. That&#039;s natural selection. However, over 20% body fat can decrease your fertility and send your hormones out of balance. That isn&#039;t a mistake either.

Its not easy in a society where we don&#039;t move around enough and food is very plentiful, but I have to do that.

I&#039;m not saying that BMI is the indicator. I&#039;m not saying that there aren&#039;t people who don&#039;t hate and threaten fat people. I&#039;m just saying that society isn&#039;t talking about a couple of extra pounds when it says disparaging things about &quot;fat&quot; people. But the fat acceptance people don&#039;t want you to think about that. They want you to think there is a vast conspiracy against anyone who isn&#039;t a size 0.

But there isn&#039;t one. And saying that you&#039;ll never be beautiful in society&#039;s eyes is copping to the bullshit that there is one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My earlier comment was about your comment that you&#8217;ll never be society&#8217;s idea of attractive, and that is what I called bullshit over, not the rest of your post.</p>
<p>My argument, and I do have one, is that the fat acceptance people think that &#8220;society&#8221; equates &#8220;thin&#8221; with &#8220;beauty&#8221;. Society doesn&#8217;t do that. The fat acceptance people want and need you to think that. The fat acceptance people need you to think that all bodies are beautiful no matter what. That is not true. If you are more than 20 lbs overweight you are not eating right and you are not exercising enough for your body. If you are carrying several inches of fat around your midsection, you are not healthy. This is an evolutionary principle, not a beauty one.</p>
<p>The human body is designed, has EVOLVED, to be 10 to 20 lbs &#8220;overweight&#8221;. Not thirty, not fifty, but 10 to 20 lbs of optimal weight. This is a failsafe in case of future famine. Its part of natural selection.</p>
<p>No one who is 5&#8217;6&#8243; and 200 lbs is healthy. Not if its muscle, not if its fat. It&#8217;s not healthy. The fat acceptance people want you to think that is, but it&#8217;s not on several fundamental health levels.</p>
<p>The fat acceptance movement needs women to be angry at &#8220;society&#8221; rather than empowering them to get their asses moving and moving in a way that works with the evolutionary changes the human body has made.</p>
<p>Women need to maintain over 10% body fat to assure fertility and hormonal balance. That is not a mistake. That&#8217;s natural selection. However, over 20% body fat can decrease your fertility and send your hormones out of balance. That isn&#8217;t a mistake either.</p>
<p>Its not easy in a society where we don&#8217;t move around enough and food is very plentiful, but I have to do that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that BMI is the indicator. I&#8217;m not saying that there aren&#8217;t people who don&#8217;t hate and threaten fat people. I&#8217;m just saying that society isn&#8217;t talking about a couple of extra pounds when it says disparaging things about &#8220;fat&#8221; people. But the fat acceptance people don&#8217;t want you to think about that. They want you to think there is a vast conspiracy against anyone who isn&#8217;t a size 0.</p>
<p>But there isn&#8217;t one. And saying that you&#8217;ll never be beautiful in society&#8217;s eyes is copping to the bullshit that there is one.</p>
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		<title>By: erin</title>
		<link>http://idlemusings.ca/2008/02/28/body-acceptance/comment-page-1/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little confused by your comment ... or rather, I think you may be confused by what I meant.

Fat acceptance is all about being healthy no matter your size. Realizing that the ideal that society puts out there is unrealistic for many women. That beauty and attractiveness comes in many shapes and sizes.

However, our society pounds us with the fact that small is beautiful and healthy, and if you are not small ... then you must not be beautiful or healthy. Advertising, using size 10 or 12 models as plus size (which makes them smaller than me - not exactly what *I* would call &#039;plus&#039;), stores only making sizes in up to 16 if you&#039;re lucky, and even then not having the same selection as someone of a smaller size. It is reinforced over and over again in our society that small is better. And yet, despite that, and this was before I ever found fat acceptance, I have thought of myself as attractive. I have loved my curves. I have thought that I look my best when I&#039;m naked (and from what I know and read, most women do not feel the same about themselves).

My point was that I love my body. I do have self esteem, although society attempts to drag me down, and in certain past experiences of mine attempts were made to drag me down. I love my body; I love myself. *And yet* I can still have moments when I think to myself, &quot;I am a failure. I hate my body.&quot; To me, that means I still have work to do with personal body acceptance.

I disagree with your view on fat acceptance but I agree with the rest of your comment. I just think you may have misinterpreted what I was getting at, because you&#039;re basically arguing my point for me. Which I appreciate. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little confused by your comment &#8230; or rather, I think you may be confused by what I meant.</p>
<p>Fat acceptance is all about being healthy no matter your size. Realizing that the ideal that society puts out there is unrealistic for many women. That beauty and attractiveness comes in many shapes and sizes.</p>
<p>However, our society pounds us with the fact that small is beautiful and healthy, and if you are not small &#8230; then you must not be beautiful or healthy. Advertising, using size 10 or 12 models as plus size (which makes them smaller than me &#8211; not exactly what *I* would call &#8216;plus&#8217;), stores only making sizes in up to 16 if you&#8217;re lucky, and even then not having the same selection as someone of a smaller size. It is reinforced over and over again in our society that small is better. And yet, despite that, and this was before I ever found fat acceptance, I have thought of myself as attractive. I have loved my curves. I have thought that I look my best when I&#8217;m naked (and from what I know and read, most women do not feel the same about themselves).</p>
<p>My point was that I love my body. I do have self esteem, although society attempts to drag me down, and in certain past experiences of mine attempts were made to drag me down. I love my body; I love myself. *And yet* I can still have moments when I think to myself, &#8220;I am a failure. I hate my body.&#8221; To me, that means I still have work to do with personal body acceptance.</p>
<p>I disagree with your view on fat acceptance but I agree with the rest of your comment. I just think you may have misinterpreted what I was getting at, because you&#8217;re basically arguing my point for me. Which I appreciate. <img src='http://idlemusings.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://idlemusings.ca/2008/02/28/body-acceptance/comment-page-1/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am not and never will be thin enough for our society to consider me attractive but I consider myself to be attractive.&quot;

I call bullshit.

This is what the &quot;fat acceptance&quot; people *need* you to think to justify the fact that most people do not care of themselves. And most people don&#039;t realize that our bodies have not evolved to deal with the fact that we don&#039;t have to hunt for our food, run from wild animals nor suffer seasonal famines or food shortages. 

(Evolutionary biology... it&#039;s very, very cool.)

Sure, you&#039;re never going to model for Vogue... but do you really want to do that anyway?

The true test of attractiveness is not about the number on the scale or the double or single digits of your dress size. It&#039;s about being healthy, making healthy choices 90% of the time and taking the time to move your body to make up for the fact that urban humans do not get enough exercise and food is too plentiful 100% of the time.

I don&#039;t own a scale for a reason, I know that I have to work harder when my favourite jeans aren&#039;t fitting right, and I have come to accept that exercise doesn&#039;t have to mean sweating like a pig or doing stuff I don&#039;t enjoy.

You are beautiful because you take care of yourself. And I&#039;ll take your curves over some stick with pointy edges any day of the week. And truth be told, so will most men and women.

Don&#039;t let the fat acceptance people ruin your self-esteem like the &quot;thin is in&quot; people, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am not and never will be thin enough for our society to consider me attractive but I consider myself to be attractive.&#8221;</p>
<p>I call bullshit.</p>
<p>This is what the &#8220;fat acceptance&#8221; people *need* you to think to justify the fact that most people do not care of themselves. And most people don&#8217;t realize that our bodies have not evolved to deal with the fact that we don&#8217;t have to hunt for our food, run from wild animals nor suffer seasonal famines or food shortages. </p>
<p>(Evolutionary biology&#8230; it&#8217;s very, very cool.)</p>
<p>Sure, you&#8217;re never going to model for Vogue&#8230; but do you really want to do that anyway?</p>
<p>The true test of attractiveness is not about the number on the scale or the double or single digits of your dress size. It&#8217;s about being healthy, making healthy choices 90% of the time and taking the time to move your body to make up for the fact that urban humans do not get enough exercise and food is too plentiful 100% of the time.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t own a scale for a reason, I know that I have to work harder when my favourite jeans aren&#8217;t fitting right, and I have come to accept that exercise doesn&#8217;t have to mean sweating like a pig or doing stuff I don&#8217;t enjoy.</p>
<p>You are beautiful because you take care of yourself. And I&#8217;ll take your curves over some stick with pointy edges any day of the week. And truth be told, so will most men and women.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let the fat acceptance people ruin your self-esteem like the &#8220;thin is in&#8221; people, either.</p>
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